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	<title>Comments on: Disc Brake Rotors: Shimano CenterLock or ISO 6-Bolt?</title>
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		<title>By: Cainam</title>
		<link>http://www.feedthehabit.com/mountain-biking/disc-brake-rotors-shimano-centerlock-or-iso-6-bolt/#comment-17095</link>
		<dc:creator>Cainam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 17:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I built up a set of wheels using a set of XT centerlock hubs about a year ago. I had a couple of major issues:

1) The first thing I noticed was a bad pulse from the rotor on the front hub. I measured it, and the thickness varied by about 0.003&quot;. That doesn&#039;t sound like much, but the results were enough to scare the hell out of me. Fortunately, I work at a machine shop, and I was able to use a surface grinder to make the disc completely flat.

That problem could have happened to ANY rotor, regardless of hub design, but it doesn&#039;t speak well of the quality control.

2) The major issue I have with the center lock design is the fit between the rotor and the hub. By design, there is clearance between the splines. There has to be, otherwise the rotor wouldn&#039;t slide on and off. This allows for a little play, which I noticed even with brand new parts. As soon as a drop of rain hit the ground, the result was the most horrible brake noise and vibration I&#039;ve ever experienced.

The fix for this was to use epoxy and basically glue the rotors to the hubs. It solved the problem, but it makes it rather hard to remove the rotor.

I ended up throwing the hubs in the trash, and rebuilding the wheels with a set of 6 bolt hubs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I built up a set of wheels using a set of XT centerlock hubs about a year ago. I had a couple of major issues:</p>
<p>1) The first thing I noticed was a bad pulse from the rotor on the front hub. I measured it, and the thickness varied by about 0.003&#8243;. That doesn&#8217;t sound like much, but the results were enough to scare the hell out of me. Fortunately, I work at a machine shop, and I was able to use a surface grinder to make the disc completely flat.</p>
<p>That problem could have happened to ANY rotor, regardless of hub design, but it doesn&#8217;t speak well of the quality control.</p>
<p>2) The major issue I have with the center lock design is the fit between the rotor and the hub. By design, there is clearance between the splines. There has to be, otherwise the rotor wouldn&#8217;t slide on and off. This allows for a little play, which I noticed even with brand new parts. As soon as a drop of rain hit the ground, the result was the most horrible brake noise and vibration I&#8217;ve ever experienced.</p>
<p>The fix for this was to use epoxy and basically glue the rotors to the hubs. It solved the problem, but it makes it rather hard to remove the rotor.</p>
<p>I ended up throwing the hubs in the trash, and rebuilding the wheels with a set of 6 bolt hubs.</p>
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		<title>By: tobs</title>
		<link>http://www.feedthehabit.com/mountain-biking/disc-brake-rotors-shimano-centerlock-or-iso-6-bolt/#comment-16514</link>
		<dc:creator>tobs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2010 22:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m actually tired of everyone changing the standards and having to adapt and spend,spend,spend to keep up! iI think that with the 6 bolt being so interchangeable with other parts and manufactrers it should stay that way.I mean unless its a huge change for the better and i mean much better then &quot;if it aint broke dont fix it!&quot; 6 bolt baby!!! Don&#039;t let Shimano keep doing this to us or you&#039;ll never find parts that fit together!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m actually tired of everyone changing the standards and having to adapt and spend,spend,spend to keep up! iI think that with the 6 bolt being so interchangeable with other parts and manufactrers it should stay that way.I mean unless its a huge change for the better and i mean much better then &#8220;if it aint broke dont fix it!&#8221; 6 bolt baby!!! Don&#8217;t let Shimano keep doing this to us or you&#8217;ll never find parts that fit together!!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Morley</title>
		<link>http://www.feedthehabit.com/mountain-biking/disc-brake-rotors-shimano-centerlock-or-iso-6-bolt/#comment-11753</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Morley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic! Cheers Chris i&#039;ll have to get my hands on one of those from my LBS. Tightening the centrelock by hand just doesn&#039;t cut it as i sadly found out. Cheers, Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic! Cheers Chris i&#8217;ll have to get my hands on one of those from my LBS. Tightening the centrelock by hand just doesn&#8217;t cut it as i sadly found out. Cheers, Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.feedthehabit.com/mountain-biking/disc-brake-rotors-shimano-centerlock-or-iso-6-bolt/#comment-11729</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom - lucky I happened to see your comment.  Here&#039;s the tool I bought that worked on my crossrides.  
http://www.parktool.com/products/detail.asp?cat=25&amp;item=BBT-9
I agree it was hard to find this info, but the park site said it would work, and it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom &#8211; lucky I happened to see your comment.  Here&#8217;s the tool I bought that worked on my crossrides.<br />
<a href="http://www.parktool.com/products/detail.asp?cat=25&#038;item=BBT-9" rel="nofollow">http://www.parktool.com/products/detail.asp?cat=25&#038;item=BBT-9</a><br />
I agree it was hard to find this info, but the park site said it would work, and it does.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Morley</title>
		<link>http://www.feedthehabit.com/mountain-biking/disc-brake-rotors-shimano-centerlock-or-iso-6-bolt/#comment-11715</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Morley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey just noticed that you said the required tool could be a large bottom bracket wrench as opposed to a cassette tool....I just got some mavic rims with the mavic centrelock hub, and there&#039;s no grooves for a cassette tool on the inside of the centrelock. There are however groves (although very shallow) on the outer circumference of the centrelock, could a large bottom bracket wrench be the answer? I&#039;ve had no luck in finding any (official) info online as to what tool to use.

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey just noticed that you said the required tool could be a large bottom bracket wrench as opposed to a cassette tool&#8230;.I just got some mavic rims with the mavic centrelock hub, and there&#8217;s no grooves for a cassette tool on the inside of the centrelock. There are however groves (although very shallow) on the outer circumference of the centrelock, could a large bottom bracket wrench be the answer? I&#8217;ve had no luck in finding any (official) info online as to what tool to use.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: blad ubermann</title>
		<link>http://www.feedthehabit.com/mountain-biking/disc-brake-rotors-shimano-centerlock-or-iso-6-bolt/#comment-11286</link>
		<dc:creator>blad ubermann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 01:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just changed my brakes to center lock, they work great, the wrench adaptor is the same as the rear cassette.

many people say the disk comes loose all the time, never happened to me, just made sure the the nut was properly tightened.  

and yes, as a auto mechanic, and as emerald explained, the design of the hub make the centerlock design a very, but i mean VERY reliable and solid brake. 
Every single car and truck wheel axle has this sort of arrangement inside the differential. even huge 18 wheelers.

the only weak spot would be the nut coming loose if not properly tightened. and if you dont have the tools you cant really check to see if your bike mechanic did his job correctly. 

however, if you keep experiencing this problem, such as cris, may i suggest using some thread adhesive? suck as locktite 243? i use it on some bearing cones thread, never had a problem. locktite has many products, some adhere better than others, i use 243 because with a little effort you are able to loosen the bolt for replacement, but you can use a stronger one if you want to be extra sure it wont come loose during a long trip. 

just my 2 cents</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just changed my brakes to center lock, they work great, the wrench adaptor is the same as the rear cassette.</p>
<p>many people say the disk comes loose all the time, never happened to me, just made sure the the nut was properly tightened.  </p>
<p>and yes, as a auto mechanic, and as emerald explained, the design of the hub make the centerlock design a very, but i mean VERY reliable and solid brake.<br />
Every single car and truck wheel axle has this sort of arrangement inside the differential. even huge 18 wheelers.</p>
<p>the only weak spot would be the nut coming loose if not properly tightened. and if you dont have the tools you cant really check to see if your bike mechanic did his job correctly. </p>
<p>however, if you keep experiencing this problem, such as cris, may i suggest using some thread adhesive? suck as locktite 243? i use it on some bearing cones thread, never had a problem. locktite has many products, some adhere better than others, i use 243 because with a little effort you are able to loosen the bolt for replacement, but you can use a stronger one if you want to be extra sure it wont come loose during a long trip. </p>
<p>just my 2 cents</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www.feedthehabit.com/mountain-biking/disc-brake-rotors-shimano-centerlock-or-iso-6-bolt/#comment-9498</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 20:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doh! Yeah, that&#039;s not a common tool to have on-hand. Sorry about that... that stinks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doh! Yeah, that&#8217;s not a common tool to have on-hand. Sorry about that&#8230; that stinks!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 19:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bad centerlock:  rotor comes loose mid ride, and you have to stop every ten minutes to tighten it by hand, because you don&#039;t carry the tool with you.  

also if you have a 15qr, the required tool isn&#039;t the a casette tool but a large bottom bracket wrench.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bad centerlock:  rotor comes loose mid ride, and you have to stop every ten minutes to tighten it by hand, because you don&#8217;t carry the tool with you.  </p>
<p>also if you have a 15qr, the required tool isn&#8217;t the a casette tool but a large bottom bracket wrench.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 21:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t realize that the cassette removal tool and the Centerlock tool were the same. Next time I have a centerlock set in the stable, I&#039;ll give it a whirl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realize that the cassette removal tool and the Centerlock tool were the same. Next time I have a centerlock set in the stable, I&#8217;ll give it a whirl.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Need to buy a Centerlock wrench&quot;

Actually, if you have a cassette lockring removal tool, then you have a centerlock lockring removal tool. I think for the centerlock 20mm thru axle hubs, you need a BB removal tool to take those off, but I could be wrong.

I&#039;ve used centrelock, along with Shimano brakes, for as long as I&#039;ve been MTB&#039;ing (therefore, not as long as many - only 4ish years). But so far - no probs. About to build up a new bike with Easton Havoc wheels, therefore no centrelock rotors. But I&#039;m still going to use Shimano&#039;s new RT-76 6-bolt rotors with Saint 4-pot brakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Need to buy a Centerlock wrench&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, if you have a cassette lockring removal tool, then you have a centerlock lockring removal tool. I think for the centerlock 20mm thru axle hubs, you need a BB removal tool to take those off, but I could be wrong.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve used centrelock, along with Shimano brakes, for as long as I&#8217;ve been MTB&#8217;ing (therefore, not as long as many &#8211; only 4ish years). But so far &#8211; no probs. About to build up a new bike with Easton Havoc wheels, therefore no centrelock rotors. But I&#8217;m still going to use Shimano&#8217;s new RT-76 6-bolt rotors with Saint 4-pot brakes.</p>
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