With several years now gone since I rode the previous Tallboy, the ride character of Santa Cruz’s best-selling bike has long since left my mind. I know it was a great bike, but after 4 years, nothing really stood out. With the Tallboy 2 coming out mid-2013, I had hoped to ride one earlier, but I’m pretty stoked on the 2015 design and the performance improvements from the previous-generation model are flooding back with every pedal stroke.
2015 Santa Cruz Tallboy 2 CC Features:
- Santa Cruz’s highest-grade carbon frame and swingarm
- 100mm (4″) VPP™ suspension
- Forged upper and lower links
- Double sealed pivots for long bearing life
- Dual grease ports on lower link for easy maintenance
- Full carbon dropouts and disc mounts
- Two bottle cage mounts
- Molded rubber swingarm and downtube protection
- Stealth and external dropper post cable routing
- 142x12mm rear axle (included)
- Standard 73mm threaded BB
- Price: $2899 (frame & shock) $5499-$7499 (completes)
Tallboy Gets Visual Overhaul for 2015
For 2015, the only changes are cosmetic, but I’m quite fond of the new black/blue/red color scheme and trailside oglers seem to agree. The chosen build kit for my test bike is entirely custom with a slew of top-end components. Here are some highlights:
- 2015 Tallboy CC frameset
- Fox 32 TALAS 29 120/90 fork
- Truvativ cockpit with Jerome Clementz BlackBox bars
- Full SRAM XX1 drivetrain with 32T chainring
- Easton EC70 Trail carbon wheels
- SRAM Guide RSC brakes
- Weight: 25.6 lbs
The full package really left very little on the table and provided a durable and capable bike that absolutely inspired confidence all over the mountain. Having ridden nearly every competing frame on the market, I was anxious to see how the Tallboy CC would perform.
Nothing the Tallboy Can’t Handle
I like to ride fast and push myself to redline on undulating terrain and even moreso on climbs. There’s nothing quite as exhilarating as passing people on the uphill like they are standing still. Good 29ers have a knack for ascending at breakneck speeds because once you build that momentum, nothing will stop your progress. The Tallboy was always a willing and able dance partner.
With the Tallboy C, you get the much-heralded VPP Suspension design that keeps the rear wheel planted with gobs of traction — no matter how steep the terrain gets. When pushing extra hard on steep or challenging terrain, I could stand with confidence, knowing that the rear tire would hook up (once I figured out where the sweet spot was). Like any bike, there is a sweet spot for standing ascents and the Tallboy has a forgiving range in that regard. You can make it loose traction, but a quick weight shift and blessed traction returns in a jiffy.
I’ve been particularly impressed with the Fox 32 TALAS 29 I’ve had on this bike. It is the perfect match here with on-the-fly XC-to-trailbike adjustability. Long, flat sections or endless climbs — 90mm all the way. Technical terrain or bomber descents — 120mm for the win. With that kind of versatility at the flick of a lever, I’m a bit surprised that Santa Cruz doesn’t offer the Tallboy with a TALAS fork from the factory.
When descending, I’ve been very impressed with the Tallboy CC’s ability to maneuver in and out of tricky situations. Technical drops, knarly baby-heads and high-speed flow trails were met with squish and smoothness beyond what the 100mm travel says on paper. I have loved getting air and simply carving up the trails. The 17.5″ chainstays, are middle-of-the-pack and sometimes manuals aren’t as natural as other bikes, but airtime has always been confident and easy. And, watch out for pedal strikes as this bike is particularly prone in that regard.
When I tested the Ibis Ripley earlier this year, I spoke about how zippy it felt coming out of corners and under initial acceleration. I’m standing by the Ripley as the zippiest and most responsive in its class (it’s gonna be hard to beat). That said, the Tallboy exhibits comfortable and capable responsiveness coming out of corners and on initial gas, but it doesn’t quite match the magic that is the Ripley — in spite of having 20mm less travel.
While it may not feel quite as zippy, it remains supremely capable as evidenced by some shiny Strava hardwear I’ve earned aboard the Tallboy. Rocking the 750mm bars has really given me extra leverage to lay this bike into corners and have some of the most fun I’ve ever had on a bike. Ultimately, you know how you like your cockpit set up, but I prefer the negative rise stem and 750mm low riser bar combination.
Steering precision is fantastic on the Tallboy as well. Many 29er detractors talk of the vague or floppy handling characteristics of the wagon wheels. At this point, all major manufacturers have this dialed. With all the talk of fork offset and G2 geometry, the Tallboy is built around “standard” 44mm offset forks. Santa Cruz does not recommend a G2 fork on this bike — there is no need as this bike handles predictably under all conditions and speeds.
Tallboy Nabs the Holy Grail of Strava
Further evidence of just how capable and fun the Tallboy is, I’ve got Strava-backed proof that the Holy Grail does exist — and I found it on my local trail network. The following ride consists of 18 segments and I got PR’s, second or third best times on every single segment. I’ve never done that before and may not do it again.
It’s a Keeper — No Question
When asked about the performance of the Tallboy, I’ve had plenty of praise to go around. My chosen build kit is the perfect match on this bike and brings out the best of all its positive traits. It can feel like a borderline-enduro bike, but it can also feel decidedly XC (ish). That’s what I love about this bike the most — it’s just so darn versatile.
Everything about the Tallboy is also built for longevity and serviceability — something I particularly love about all Santa Cruz bikes. The standard 73mm BB shell may seem old-fashioned, but makes for creak-free performance. Adding to that are the IS brake tabs, which eliminate the fear of stripping the direct-mount threads. And, something I particularly like — external cable routing! I love internal routing on road bikes, but I’m not as big of a fan on mountain bikes.
Rounding out the durability package is the addition of a downtube skidplate and chainstay protector — both nice touches.
The only thing that has been vexing to me has been subtle creaking in the rear lower pivot. The suspension was dead silent for months until I had one very wet ride. Greasing it up does seem to reduce it, but hasn’t eliminated the squeak. Speaking of grease, I also had a heck of a time getting the grease gun back off the ports after lubrication. I don’t know if my nozzle is too small or what. I can get it on, but getting it off requires patience and Herculean strength.
- Terrain-hugging suspension
- Amazingly comfortable for long rides
- Love the external cable routing for easy maintenance
- Very smooth and confident descender
- Excellent steering precision and feel
- Perfect match for the TALAS 120/90 fork
- A little splash of color makes this bike stand out
- Can tackle the range from XC to near-enduro
- Side-load bottle cage accepts a 24 oz bottle — no problem
- Cable routing can interfere with bottle cage
- Pedal strikes are common on rocky terrain
- Grease gun is really hard to remove
- Minor squeak in rear pivot
The Bottom Line: Tallboy CC
The Tallboy has been Santa Cruz’s best-selling model for quite some time and the latest version should solidify that position. It is wicked-fast all over the mountain and really makes every trail a 10 out of 10 on the fun meter.
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The Tallboy 2 really delivers. This bike spanks everything -- from steep, gnarly ascents to rock-filled descents. It's the kind of bike that makes you feel like a superhero.
Love my TB2 as well and agree with a lot of your points. However, I wasn’t a fan of the Fox 120 fork… found it to be far too flexy for the type of riding i do and it didn’t inspire much confidence. I’ve since replaced it with a 120mm Pike and the bike has completely transformed in to a do it all machine.
Regarding the lower pivot creaking, I have the same issue… good for about a dozen rides before it starts acting up. The only remedy which seems to work is to completely pull apart the lower axels, clean, re-lubericate and re-assemble. The beauty of Santa Cruz is the ease of maintenance, i can literally service that lower pivot in under 10min.
Nice move on the 120 PIKE. A fantastic fork. The best on the market. Did you reduce a PIKE 140 to get 120mm out of it?
And, sounds like I may need to look at cleaning the pivot. Thanks!
Yes, lowered a 140 Pike to 120.
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Hey Jason, I’m in the market for a replacement for my first generation Tallboy. Am I splitting hairs looking at the 5010? So many choices.
The 5010 has been getting rave reviews. One of our reviewers gave it high marks:
I’m a fan of the Tallboy C and love the improvements over the first-gen tallboy. Going down to 27.5 wheels does have some benefits, but there are some drawbacks as well. The Scott Spark 700, for example, is a similar 27.5 trail bike:
In the end, I personally prefer the feel of the VPP, DW or CVA suspension platforms to the Horst or modified single-pivot (Scott).
Definitely a tough choice, but one that will be good either way. If you simply upgrade to the Tallboy C, you won’t be disappointed.
Jason, what would be a drawbacks?
Sorry, I didn’t outline them. IMO, the drawbacks of 27.5’s are:
– Not as smooth rolling as a 29er
– Slightly smaller contact patch
– More tubes and tires to buy (I have a ton of 29er tubes and tires lying around)
That’s all I can say so far in my 27.5 tests. That Scott Spark 700 was a really fast and fun bike — even though it had tweener wheels.
Thanks Jason, it’s been difficult to demo these bikes and I feel your reviews or spot on. One more question. TallboyC / TallboyLT. Your thoughts. Can’t find one to demo.
The LT loses the water bottle cage inside the front triangle, so that’s a big drawback. I’ve not ridden one personally so I can’t add much there.
I will say that the 120-140mm travel 29er market has some strong players with the Yeti SB95, Niner RIP 9 and Ibis Ripley. It’s really hard to match up with the performance of the Ripley. And, the new BMC Speedfox also comes in with a lot going for it:
I’d personally give the nod to the Ripley.
Always love reading your reviews. I’m a XC racer at heart, maybe 5-6 races per year, but realistically more of an enthusiast looking for something fun that can be raced. I had a short ride on the Jet9 RDO and honestly rode harsher then I expected. The Tallboy seems to hit the best of all worlds especially with Talas fork. I tend to ride shorter type of races (duathlons bike-run-bike) and concerned that the Talas at 120 might be too much sus but at 90 not enough and too agressive geo. Would you recommend the Tallboy? If so, thoughts on fork setup?
Dave. Thanks for your comments! The TB is exactly as you described. Way fun all-around with the 120. The TALAS makes it even more versatile for XC stuff.
It is a bit smoother than the Jet 9. If you can go TALAS, that’s what I’d recommend!
Or you could go with a 100mm fork straight up. Still capable and a little more nimble. 90mm rides surprisingly well uphill and even downhill. 100 could be your sweet spot!
can you tell me frame size and weight?
Thanks for the question. I neglected to weigh the bare frame when it arrived and built it up in a jiffy. It is a size Large.
The actual weight (from CompetitiveCyclist.com) of a size Small is 5.22 lbs. They weigh everything meticulously. A Large is probably closer to 5.5 lbs. Sorry for the inexact measurement.
I’m tniking in everything you soy but, can I compare a Specialized Epic with the Tallboy C? Whiten could be better choice for an overall bike, XC, Trails, marathon?
Thanks for the comment, Jany. I’m trying my best to understand your question — thanks for being brave and posting in English! Hope I get it…
Compared to the Epic, the Tallboy is much more of a trailbike. With the Epic, you get an XC rocket — particularly due to the Brain rear shock. So, the Epic will be better for pure XC racing, but the Tallboy will be better at everything else. That’s my take.